Christian Research Institute on Bob Larson

[Greegor]

G > That's one heck of a disclaimer!    LOL

Moe > Word of note here. CRI is hardly an objective
Moe > source, as their stance on non-Christian
Moe > religions is tainted by the Xian
Moe > " one true religion" crap claim. This article's
Moe > claim that Larson's "exorcism" teachings
Moe > are biblically sound shows considerable
Moe > ignorance on the part of the author, as well
Moe > as his blindness to Larson's obvious flim
Moe > flammery and Simony.

G > Maureen, on your facebook page you identified yourself
G > as pagan agnostic.   What exactly does the agnostic part
G > mean in your case?

Moe > Wat do you care? Its not like you
Moe > actually give a damn. do you greg?

You knocked the CRI for bias, and rightly so,
but you don't want to owe up to your own bias?

Please explain why you call yourself pagan agnostic.

From your posted usenet comments you are
a "self styled" pagan, you mixed and
matched your own formula, right?

 Distortions and lies noted.
 Do you EVER actually say the truth, ever, greg?

Why not explain, Moe?

How is that different from the aphorism that
you "make it up as you go along"?

Greg, newsflash for ya. ALL religions are made
up by humans. Every one of them.

Most people don't create their own religion like
they're at Build A Bear workshop, do they, Moe?

Ever consider just how egotistical that is, Moe?

But WHAT does your claim of "pagan agnostic" mean?

[kensmithiscool]

Post by Greegor
G > That's one heck of a disclaimer!    LOL
Moe > Word of note here. CRI is hardly an objective
Moe > source, as their stance on non-Christian
Moe > religions is tainted by the Xian
Moe > " one true religion" crap claim. This article's
Moe > claim that Larson's "exorcism" teachings
Moe > are biblically sound shows considerable
Moe > ignorance on the part of the author, as well
Moe > as his blindness to Larson's obvious flim
Moe > flammery and Simony.
G > Maureen, on your facebook page you identified yourself
G > as pagan agnostic.   What exactly does the agnostic part
G > mean in your case?
Moe > Wat do you care? Its not like you
Moe > actually give a damn. do you greg?
You knocked the CRI for bias, and rightly so,
but you don't want to owe up to your own bias?
Please explain why you call yourself pagan agnostic.

From your posted usenet comments you are
a "self styled" pagan, you mixed and
matched your own formula, right?

 Distortions and lies noted.
 Do you EVER actually say the truth, ever, greg?

Why not explain, Moe?

How is that different from the aphorism that
you "make it up as you go along"?

Greg, newsflash for ya. ALL religions are made
up by humans. Every one of them.

Most people don't create their own religion like
they're at Build A Bear workshop, do they, Moe?
Ever consider just how egotistical that is, Moe?
But WHAT does your claim of "pagan agnostic" mean?

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter what it means -- other
than the fact that she's on a one-way ticket to eternal torment, and
the bus is leaving soon. John 14:6.

[TWellingfan]

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
G > That's one heck of a disclaimer!    LOL
Moe > Word of note here. CRI is hardly an objective
Moe > source, as their stance on non-Christian
Moe > religions is tainted by the Xian
Moe > " one true religion" crap claim. This article's
Moe > claim that Larson's "exorcism" teachings
Moe > are biblically sound shows considerable
Moe > ignorance on the part of the author, as well
Moe > as his blindness to Larson's obvious flim
Moe > flammery and Simony.
G > Maureen, on your facebook page you identified yourself
G > as pagan agnostic.   What exactly does the agnostic part
G > mean in your case?
Moe > Wat do you care? Its not like you
Moe > actually give a damn. do you greg?
You knocked the CRI for bias, and rightly so,
but you don't want to owe up to your own bias?
Please explain why you call yourself pagan agnostic.

From your posted usenet comments you are
a "self styled" pagan, you mixed and
matched your own formula, right?

 Distortions and lies noted.
 Do you EVER actually say the truth, ever, greg?

Why not explain, Moe?

How is that different from the aphorism that
you "make it up as you go along"?

Greg, newsflash for ya. ALL religions are made
up by humans. Every one of them.

Most people don't create their own religion like
they're at Build A Bear workshop, do they, Moe?
Ever consider just how egotistical that is, Moe?
But WHAT does your claim of "pagan agnostic" mean?

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter what it means -- other
than the fact that she's on a one-way ticket to eternal torment, and
the bus is leaving soon.  John 14:6.

Then I'll meet you there KSIC.

I still haven't gotten an answer from you about my question about
what supposed " blasphemies' you claim I have made.

Also I do thank you for adding newsgroups to the cross postsings.

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An Examination of the Teachings of Bob Larson
The Devil Is in the Details
DD806
Steven Parks

This article first appeared in the Christian Research Journal, volume
24, number 2 (2002). For further information or to subscribe to the
Christian Research Journal go to: http://www.equip.org

BOB LARSON- SYNOPSIS

For many years, the Christian Research Institute has warned believers
about a massive shift occurring within the contemporary church. Sadly,
many believers are being ushered out of the age of objective biblical
exposition bequeathed to us during the Protestant Reformation and into
the age of unbridled subjective experience. Examples abound, but few
exemplify the paradigm shift better than Bob Larson.

Larson’s newfound emphasis on spiritual warfare highlights his
proclivity toward subjectivism, and his recent venture into performing
live public exorcisms before capacity crowds further accentuates his
sensationalistic approach to ministry. While some of what Bob Larson
teaches on demonology and spiritual warfare is theologically sound,
what he gives with the right hand of sound biblical exegesis is
quickly snatched away with the left hand of alleged experiences with
the supernatural.

Larson thus wavers between presenting balanced teaching grounded in
biblical truth and espousing dangerous ideas established by his
alleged encounters with the supernatural. Unfortunately, even the
biblical aspects of Larson’s theology end up overturned as a result of
his supposed skirmishes with the demonic. As Larson’s focus on
spiritual warfare intensifies, subjective experience reigns supreme.

Throughout the millennia, the Christian church has faced myriad trials
in the form of doctrinal controversies. While enduring these tests of
faith, one constant temptation for believers has been to base their
beliefs not on the objective written Word of God but rather on
subjective experience. Movements such as Montanism and mysticism have
enticed many away from objectivity grounded in Holy Scripture and into
the realm of autonomous esoteric experience.

Not much has changed over the centuries. For years, the Christian
Research Institute has been warning believers about a massive paradigm
shift occurring within the contemporary church, as the faithful are
being tempted to abandon biblical exposition in favor of extrabiblical
experiences. While any number of examples could be given to illustrate
evangelicalism’s growing obsession with subjectivity, few exemplify
this paradigm shift better than Christian television and radio
personality Bob Larson.

Bob Larson uniquely embodies the church’s perpetual struggle to
subjugate personal experience to the inspired text of Holy Scripture.
His evident desire to remain faithful to the Bible is tragically
overridden time and again, and in the end most of what he teaches is
based more on alleged encounters with the supernatural than on a
careful exegesis of Scripture.

BOB LARSON’S BACKGROUND

Born in 1944, Bob Larson grew up in rural Nebraska. A popular youth
excelling in sports and academics, Larson earned the titles of best
athlete and best all-around student in high school. During those
years, Larson developed a fondness for rock and roll, becoming the
lead singer of a band called The Rebels, which enjoyed some measure of
success.1

Shortly after enrolling at the University of Nebraska in 1963,2 Larson
experienced a dramatic conversion to Christianity and felt he could no
longer follow through with his “secular” plans. Abandoning his dream
of becoming a medical doctor, Larson left college altogether in 1964,3
pursuing ministry with an exceptionally fiery passion.

Drawing from his experience as a rock musician, Larson traveled around
the country warning the nation’s youth against the dangers associated
with this style of music, even gaining national attention in Newsweek.
4 Larson soon parleyed this notoriety into a successful writing
career, eventually publishing several books detailing the perils of
rock and roll.

In 1972, Larson founded Bob Larson Crusades, a strategic move allowing
him to expand his focus to deal with issues related to cults and the
occult, authoring works on these topics as well.5 From these humble
beginnings, the broadcasting empire known today as Bob Larson
Ministries extended its influence, ultimately taking the evangelical
community by storm.

BOB LARSON’S INFLUENCE

Readers may already be living in a community sponsoring one of
Larson’s ubiquitous conferences or they may even have attended such an
event. Larson has lectured in over 70 countries,6 and travels an
average of three to four days per week, often attending to ministry
duties from his hotel room.7

A prolific author, Larson has nearly 30 books to his credit, both
nonfiction and fiction, the latter including the bestsellers Dead Air,
Abaddon, and The Senator’s Agenda. Over the years, Larson has worked
tirelessly to spread his message, and these efforts have gained him a
prominent platform within the evangelical Christian community.

As the host of Talk-Back with Bob Larson, a live national radio
broadcast heard daily via satellite, Larson offers his unique take on
issues ranging from Christian living to apologetics. Employing his
trademark style of broadcasting, he has enjoyed much success as a
radio personality, and Talk-Back has aired in 200 cities throughout
the United States, Canada, South America, Western Europe, and North
Africa.8

These noteworthy accomplishments have even caused the secular world to
sit up and take notice. Television talk show hosts such as Phil
Donahue, Oprah Winfrey, Montel Williams, and Sally Jessy Raphael have
all featured Larson as a guest on their programs. In addition to the
daytime talk show circuit, Larson has appeared on Larry King Live and
Politically Incorrect hosted by Bill Maher.9

Larson also hosts two television broadcasts of his own. Bob Larson in
Action, a half-hour television series aired weekly on the Trinity
Broadcasting Network, is seen “on over 1500 television stations, 16
satellites, the Internet, and thousands of cable systems around the
world.”10 Bob Larson Presents: DWJD-TV (Do What Jesus Did-Television)
is Larson’s newest weekly half-hour television show and is aired
nationwide via Sky Angel, a direct broadcast satellite system.11

BOB LARSON’S EMPHASIS

After Larson made a name for himself by speaking out against rock
music, he shifted his attention to the arena of spiritual warfare.
Believing there was a lack of reliable teaching on this topic, Larson
took it upon himself to “fill that void with biblically sound facts
that meet the scrutiny of serious theological review.”12

Aware of chicanery passing itself off as dependable teaching, Larson
believes that Christians “need to be very objective in the realm of
spiritual warfare,”13 denouncing sensationalism for what it is: “Now
some in the church have a rather unhealthy, sensationalized,
preoccupation with the demonic, and I understand that. And there has
been much repute [sic] brought on the arena of this issue by those who
have dealt with it very unwisely. They have done so in a
psychologically unsound way, and a theologically inappropriate way.”14

Since an information gap exists, who better to fill it than Bob
Larson, a man who purports to have seen more supernaturalism than any
living human?15 Indeed, Larson’s experiences with the supernatural are
so astonishing that he is hesitant to relate most of what he has
experienced for fear of overwhelming believers.16 The problem Larson
refers to is evident to those carefully examining his teachings on the
nature and activity of demons.

BOB LARSON’S DEMONOLOGY

Larson believes studying demonology is part and parcel of
Christianity, and he openly laments contemporary evangelicalism’s
ignorance in this area.17 Some of what Larson has to say about
demonology is biblically based and has likely been of help to those
searching for sound teaching on the subject. For this he is to be
commended.

For example, Larson teaches that demons are fallen angels,18 possessed
of all the attributes of personal beings, including will, emotion, and
intellect.19 As fallen angels, Larson correctly notes, “demons are
noncorporeal spirits,”20 that is, they are immaterial creatures with
no extension in space,21 possessing no mass.22 To his credit, Larson
explodes the myth that Satan is the infinite, omnipotent, and
omnipresent counterpart of God. In no uncertain terms, Larson affirms
that Satan is finite,23 unable to forcibly coerce individuals to sin
against their will,24 and limited to operating in one place at one
time.25

While these teachings are certainly biblical, Larson nullifies them
when he recounts his personal experiences with alleged demons. This
penchant for inconsistency is evident throughout Larson’s teaching,
and it is common for him to espouse both sound and sensationalistic
statements on the same topic.

For instance, while Larson rightly asserts that demons are
noncorporeal beings, he also teaches they manifest themselves
physically.26 According to Larson, most of these occurrences border on
nuisance, such as when demons have crank-called those to whom Bob was
ministering deliverance;27 yet Larson believes some crafty demons have
gone so far as to duplicate his own physical appearance, masquerading
as Larson himself in order to obstruct genuine exorcisms.28

As insidious as these occurrences sound, Larson suggests that many
demons have an even more sinister goal in mind, as in the case
regarding an incubus, “a demon assuming human physical dimensions and
sexually cohabiting with a woman. Succubus is the counterpart, when
the demon assumes female proportions and actually cohabits with a
man.”29 These erotic encounters may even result in a “demonic
impregnation,” which must be countered with a prayer that “Satan’s
supernatural offspring be aborted.”30 These ideas have more in common
with pagan superstition than with biblical demonology. To ascribe
physicality to evil spirits goes beyond the boundaries of Scripture.

In fact, such assertions undermine important truths, not the least of
which is the empirical evidence Jesus offered for His own
resurrection. After Christ had risen from the dead, He presented
Himself to the disciples thereby demonstrating His victory over death.
Fearing that He was a spirit, the disciples continued to waver
concerning His identity. To dispel their doubts, Jesus offered them a
sufficient test for discerning spirits from nonspirits: “See My hands
and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does
not have flesh and bones as you see that I have” (Luke 24:39, NASB).
If demons can physically manifest themselves and even impersonate
individuals, then Jesus offered an inadequate proof for His own
resurrection. Upon what basis could the disciples conclude that an
evil spirit was not masquerading as Jesus? The Savior offered His
physical body as evidence to the contrary, alleviating any
uncertainties harbored by the disciples. Such proof, however, would
have been insufficient if demons could assume physical dimensions at
will.

Furthermore, Larson relies on his subjective experiences with alleged
evil spirits to support his views regarding their abilities. Although
Larson affirms that demons are finite beings, he ascribes to them
godlike supernatural capabilities. Sometimes the forces of darkness
create minor disturbances, such as teleporting important items out of
view in order to hide them,31 or even setting off hundreds of fire
alarms simultaneously.32 On other occasions, demons have materialized
dangerous weapons out of thin air,33 tampered with car brakes,34 and
even caused earthquakes registering 5.0 on the Richter scale!35

This is not the picture of demons presented to us in Scripture. It is
not even consistent with what Larson teaches elsewhere when he
declares, “Demons are noncorporeal spirits. They have no physical
mechanism to express their will. They need a body to accomplish their
designs.”36 Such inflated assertions regarding the overwhelming power
and pervading influence of demons have caused many to become overly
preoccupied with satanic activity, focusing more on our adversary than
upon our Advocate.

BOB LARSON’S SIDESHOWS

In addition to his skewed demonology, many evangelical observers have
expressed concerns over a recent develop­ment in Larson’s ministry: he
now conducts live public exorcisms.37 During one such event, Larson
declared:

My Bible tells me in Colossians 2:15 that Jesus made a public
spectacle of the devil. I’m doing this for a reason. You know if God
hadn’t been dealing with my heart in recent months, I never would have
done anything like this. But God has been teaching me that I need to
give the Christian community a window into the world of the reality of
the supernatural, so we wake up, and get off our duffs, and get busy
for God.38

This claim comes despite the fact that Larson previously denounced
such public displays:

Quite frankly I often cringe when I see public evangelistic displays
of what purports to be supernaturalism that only draws attention to a
particular individual on stage in front of the camera…I’m just telling
you that [exorcisms] take place in private. They take place in
cloistered settings where I and a band of intercessors are battling
for the sake of a soul, and they’re not the sort of thing where the
cameras are rolling, and the lights are on, and folks can look at it
and say, “Wow! Look at what he’s doing. He must have the power of God
in his life. Oh, what a wonderful servant of the Lord,” because that
sort of thing is too easily given over to pride. Cameras aren’t
running, nobody is there to get any glory out of it.39

Now, based upon an erroneous interpretation of Paul’s Epistle to the
Colossians, Larson feels he must share in Christ’s work of publicly
humiliating Satan by casting demons out of the afflicted before large
crowds. Why does Larson practice what he recently condemned? The
answer seems clear: a poor exegesis of Scripture guided by an
unbridled subjectivity.

Larson’s proclivity toward sensationalism becomes truly evident in his
alleged encounters with the supernatural. In this regard, his
“literalizing”40 of Scripture has drawn serious criticism41 and is
actually the basis for some of his more outlandish claims. For
example, based upon Paul’s teaching that the Word of God is the sword
of the Spirit (Eph. 6:17), Larson wields his Bible as though it were
an actual weapon, dealing lethal paper cuts to demons,42 even making
eunuchs out of incubi.43 Other creative uses of Scripture include
restraining demons with invisible rope (because “a cord of three
strands is not quickly broken”; Eccl. 4:12)44 and raising a person’s
body temperature by holding a Bible over the individual (because the
Word of God is like a lamp: Ps. 119:105).45

Though he appeals to Colossians to substantiate his practice of
conducting public exorcisms, Larson seems to miss the entire thrust of
Paul’s argument: “And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he
made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the
cross” (Col. 2:15). The apostle painted a word picture that would have
been familiar to first-century readers. As Dr. N. T. Wright, Canon
Theologian of Westminster Abbey, has observed, “The phrase triumphing
over them alludes metaphorically to the practice of Roman generals
following a conquest. In the days before the modern news media, the
most spectacular method of announcing a far-off victory to people at
home was to march in triumph through the city, displaying the booty
taken from conquered peoples, and leading a host of bedraggled
prisoners through the streets as a public spectacle” (emphases in
original).46

Notice the manner in which Jesus humiliated the forces of darkness:
through the instrumentality of the cross. Contrary to what many might
had expected, Jesus was actually conquering Satan and his minions at
Calvary, subjugating them to open shame. Dr. Curtis Vaughan, professor
of New Testament at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary,
amplifies this point: “Christ, in this picture, is the conquering
general; the powers and authorities are the vanquished enemy displayed
as the spoils of battle before the entire universe. To the casual
observer the cross appears to be only an instrument of death, the
symbol of Christ’s defeat; Paul represents it as Christ’s chariot of
victory.”47

It is no secret that Jesus performed exorcisms in the presence of many
witnesses (see, e.g., Mark 5:12–13). Nevertheless, it was not those
displays that subjected the evil spirits to open shame. Rather, the
cross of Christ humiliated the forces of darkness, a historical
reality that occurred once for all time two thousand years ago.

BOB LARSON’S THEORIES

While Christianity has traditionally held that demon possession is a
rare phenomenon, Larson contends that cases of possession abound. He
maintains that demons attach themselves to such inanimate objects as
tourist souvenirs,48 houses,49 and even entire nations50 (American
demons are the toughest variety51).52 This, however, is just the tip
of the satanic iceberg. Demons also possess people, and in Larson’s
theology, nobody is safe from incursion. Targets for possession
include people from all walks of life, even infants in the womb53 and
Christians.54 The latter have acted as the impetus for Larson’s public
exorcisms, since unbelievers aren’t exactly beating down Larson’s door
seeking deliverance. Even if they were, they would find little help
from Larson, who believes — in polar opposition to the historic
Protestant position — that exorcisms should not be conducted on
unbelievers: “I argue, what business do you have trying to cast a
demon out of somebody who isn’t a Christian? Think about that for a
minute. Do you know how dangerous it is to cast a demon out of
somebody who isn’t a Christian?…So in effect, never do an exorcism
until the person is a Christian.”55

Larson rarely attempts to offer a biblical defense for his view of the
demonization of Christians. Like the majority of his teachings on
spiritual warfare, his conclusions are based more on experience than
Scripture. Although Larson once vehemently opposed the notion that
Christians could be possessed, his experience overruled his earlier
teaching:

A change in my own theology and heart came about very gradually. The
more I got involved in conducting exorcisms, the more I realized that
a greater and greater percentage of the people I was ministering to
were Christians…but as I began to deal with more and more people who
were honestly born again, who knew the Lord as their Savior, and were
demon possessed I had to face the reality that my theology, my public
statements on the issue, all that I had taught about this was in
error.
56

In Larson’s demonology, possession is the result of demons gaining
“legal rights”57 to a Christian through the believer’s open rebellion
against God, such as involvement in cults or the occult.58
Demonization can also be the result of seemingly innocuous activity,
such as having too much alcohol to drink with dinner59 or becoming
overly enamored with one’s automobile.60

Larson affirms, nonetheless, that possession usually results from
grievous sin. Since Christians often do their utmost to avoid sin, it
is often necessary for Larson to locate the cause of demonization
outside of the Christian. He finds suitable explanations in the form
of curses.61

In Larson’s worldview, “curses are exacting, legal arrangements of the
spirit world.”62 Such arrangements give demons permission to inhabit
their victims until the curse receives a detailed voiding.63 These
enchantments generally come in one of two forms: ancestral or
relational curses.

“Ancestral curses are often the most serious and may effect [sic]
descendants for generations.”64 These are hexes placed upon a victim’s
forebear and are passed down to succeeding generations. Relational
curses occur because of close associations one might have with those
involved in the occult; thus, a Christian wife may become possessed
because of her husband’s occult activity;65 a person may be demonized
because of a close friend’s occultism;66 and an individual may even be
susceptible to satanic invasion because of a business associate’s
misdeeds.67 Larson argues that “even though an exorcist might not
suspect the victim has any ancestral, generational, or relational
curses that need to be broken, there is no harm in addressing these
issues as a matter of caution.”68

Scripture teaches that such ideas are absolutely repugnant. The
Israelites had an infamous proverb blaming others for their woes: “The
fathers eat the sour grapes, but the children’s teeth are set on
edge” (Ezek. 18:2, NASB). In response to this saying, God declared,
“As I live…you are surely not going to use this proverb in Israel
anymore” (v. 3, NASB). Yahweh set the record straight, pointing out
that “the son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity,
nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the
righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself” (v. 20, NASB). In
short, individuals are accountable for their own wickedness and not
for the sins of others.

When pressed for explicit biblical evidence for his belief that
Christians can be demonized, Larson points out that Jesus performed
exorcisms within the confines of synagogues:

Now in the synagogue there was a man who had the spirit of an unclean
demon. Now Luke chapter four has always been one of my favorite
passages of Scripture, but when I read that, and I saw what it said
about a man in the synagogue, I realized that the very first case of
demonic possession the Lord Jesus ever dealt with was in church! Here
was someone in the synagogue. Now he was there to worship God. He was
there presumably with right spiritual motives, and he had a demon who
spoke out of his body. I mean we’re talking about real demonic
manifestation here.69

This is the best Larson has to offer. Sometimes the subject of the
story changes (he occasionally uses the “daughter of Abraham”
mentioned in Luke 1370), but the basic thrust of his argument remains
constant: If you attend a synagogue, you’re a believer.

Such arguments need no lengthy refutation. The Pharisees attended
synagogue; yet Jesus referred to them as “whitewashed tombs which on
the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s
bones and all uncleanness” (Matt. 23:27, NASB). Jesus affirmed that in
the confines of the visible church there would be believers and
unbelievers until the end of time (Matt. 13:24–50). Assuming that
location defines a state of belief is therefore a gross error.

Unfortunately, arguments advanced by others in favor of the
demonization of Christians are too numerous to address here.71 Suffice
it to say, such assertions contradict Scripture, which affirms that
Christians are the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 6:19), who is
more than able to protect His people from unclean spirits (1 John
4:4).

THE PENDULUM

We have the same experience a man has whose head is dizzy. When he is
to climb a high tower or to pass over a bridge under which deep water
is flowing, one must simply blind him, must hang a coat over his head
and lead and carry him blindfolded; otherwise he falls from the tower
and breaks his neck or falls into the water and drowns….We, too, must
simply close our eyes, follow the leader, the divine Word, and say: I
will let myself be wrapped in swaddling clothes, will let a coat be
put about my head, and will let myself be led to that which I believe
and do not see; and thus I will live and die.72

So cautioned Martin Luther, the father of the Protestant Reformation.
Luther was well acquainted with those who refused to content
themselves with the written Word of God. Among his chief adversaries
in the Reformation were the Enthusiasts, who denigrated the divine
Word by supplementing it with esoteric experience. Larson essentially
commits the same error.

Like a pendulum swinging precariously from side to side, Larson wavers
between presenting balanced teaching grounded in biblical truth and
espousing dangerous ideas formed by his alleged encounters with the
supernatural. In the end, the biblical aspects of Larson’s theology
are overturned as a result of his skirmishes with the demonic, and as
the pendulum continues its erratic course, subjective experience
reigns supreme.

As with the lightheaded individual in the illustration above, those
who rely on sources other than God-breathed Scripture to guide them
safely through the crumbling towers and wobbly bridges of this life
will eventually find themselves in a world of spiritual agony. Such is
the tragedy of those who look to Bob Larson for advice on spiritual
warfare.

For many years a research consultant at Christian Research Institute,
Steven Parks is a student at Concordia University, Irvine.

NOTES

1. J. Gordon Melton, Phillip C. Lucas, and Jon R. Stone, Prime-
Time Religion: An Encyclopedia of Religious Broadcasting (Phoenix:
Oryx Press, 1997), 191.

2. Clare D. Kinsman, ed., Contemporary Authors, vol. 53
(Detroit: Gale Research Company, 1975), 365.

3. Melton, et al., 191.

4. “The Mood at Moody,” Newsweek, 9 March 1970, 51.

5. Melton, 191–92.

6. Bob Larson, Larson’s Book of Spiritual Warfare (Nashville:
Thomas Nelson, 1999), 481.

7. Bob Larson Ministries, “Ministry Update,” 25 February 2001
(www.boblarson.org/newsletter/newsletter.html).

8. Cited in Bob Larson, Satanism: The Seduction of America’s
Youth (Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 1989), 223.

9. Book of Spiritual Warfare, 481.

10. Trinity Broadcasting Network, “The TBN Story,” 6 March 2001
(www.tbn.org/about/tbnstory/index.htm).

11. Bob Larson Ministries, “TV and Radio,” 6 March 2001
(www.boblarson.org/TVradio/tvradio.html).

12. Book of Spiritual Warfare, 7.

13. Bob Larson, Spiritual Warfare Basic Training I (Denver: Bob
Larson Ministries, 1995), side 2.

14. Bob Larson, Spiritual Warfare Action Training I (Denver: Bob
Larson Ministries, 1995), side 1.

15. Bob Larson, In the Name of Satan (Nashville: Thomas Nelson,
1996), 150.

16. Ibid.

17. Ibid., 149.

18. Bob Larson, What Is a Demon? (Denver: Bob Larson Ministries,
1996), side 1.

19. Ibid., side 2.

20. Name of Satan, 117.

21. Bob Larson, Spiritual Warfare Combat Training I (Denver: Bob
Larson Ministries, 1996), side 2.

22. Bob Larson, The Exorcism: The Final Battle (Denver: Bob Larson
Ministries, 1997).

23. Name of Satan, 91.

24. Ibid., 79.

25. Bob Larson, How to Call Up a Demon (Denver: Bob Larson
Ministries, 1999), side 2.

26. Name of Satan, 43–4.

27. Ibid., 153–54.

28. Ibid., 154.

29. Action Training I, side 1.

30. Name of Satan, 151.

31. Ibid., 155.

32. Book of Spiritual Warfare, 6.

33. Bob Larson, The Devil: Who He Is and What He Does (Denver: Bob
Larson Ministries, 1996), side 2.

34. Name of Satan, 160.

35. Book of Spiritual Warfare, 1–2.

36. Name of Satan, 117.

37. Combat Training I, side 1.

38. Bob Larson, Larson’s Video of Spiritual Warfare (Denver: Bob
Larson Ministries, 1999).

39. Basic Training I, side 2.

40. Bob Larson, What Scriptures Satan Hates Most (Denver: Bob
Larson Ministries, 1999), side 2.

41. Bob Larson, Misconceptions about Demons (Denver: Bob Larson
Ministries, 1999), side 1.

42. Basic Training I, side 2.

43. Bob Larson, Do’s and Don’ts of Deliverance (Denver: Bob Larson
Ministries, 1999), side 2.

44. Name of Satan, 175.

45. Ibid., 173.

46. N. T. Wright, Tyndale New Testament Commentaries: Colossians
and Philemon, vol. 12 (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2000), 114.

47. Curtis Vaughan, “Colossians,” Frank E. Gabelein, gen. ed., The
Expositor’s Bible Commentary, vol. 11 (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1978),
202.

48. Name of Satan, 192.

49. Bob Larson, How to Know If You Have a Demon (Denver: Bob
Larson Ministries, 1999), side 2.

50. Bob Larson, Five Ways to Deal with the Devil (Denver: Bob
Larson Ministries, 1996), side 1.

51. Combat Training I, side 1.

52. For a refutation of “territorial spirits,” see Csaba
Leidenfrost, “‘Peretti’ Evangelism,” Christian Research Journal,
September–October 1997, 53.

53. Bob Larson, Every Day Demons: Tape 3 (Denver: Bob Larson
Ministries, 1997), side 2.

54. Bob Larson, Can a Christian Have a Demon? (Denver: Bob Larson
Ministries, 1995), side 1.

55. How to Call Up a Demon, side 2.

56. Can a Christian Have a Demon? side 1.

57. Name of Satan, 79.

58. Basic Training I, side 1.

59. Name of Satan, 117.

60. Ibid., 60.

61. Action Training I, side 2.

62. Name of Satan, 109.

63. Ibid.

64. Ibid., 105.

65. Ibid., 214–15.

66. Ibid., 215.

67. Ibid.

68. Ibid.

69. Bob Larson, Spiritual Warfare Basic Training II (Denver: Bob
Larson Ministries, 1995), side 1.

70. Name of Satan, 81.

71. For a comprehensive examination of such arguments, see Brent
Grimsley and Elliot Miller, “Can a Christian Be ‘Demonized’?”
Christian Research Journal, Summer 1993, 16–19, 37–38.

72. Martin Luther, What Luther Says, comp. Ewald M. Plass (St.
Louis: Concordia, 1994), 216

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Word of note here. CRI is hardly an objective source, as their stance
on non-Christian religions is tainted by the Xian " one true religion"
crap claim. This article's claim that Larson's "exorcism" teachings
are biblically sound shows considerable ignorance on the part of the
author, as well as his blindness to Larson's obvious flim flammery and
Simony.

Moe

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If you'd like I could repost the various Bible verses that condemn
your judging me to hell.

But then, you never actually follow the Bible, do you Bob Larson?

Moe

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Post by TWellingfan
Then I'll meet you there KSIC.

where, scottsdale?

come on down, maureen!

[TWellingfan]

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
G > That's one heck of a disclaimer!    LOL
Moe > Word of note here. CRI is hardly an objective
Moe > source, as their stance on non-Christian
Moe > religions is tainted by the Xian
Moe > " one true religion" crap claim. This article's
Moe > claim that Larson's "exorcism" teachings
Moe > are biblically sound shows considerable
Moe > ignorance on the part of the author, as well
Moe > as his blindness to Larson's obvious flim
Moe > flammery and Simony.
G > Maureen, on your facebook page you identified yourself
G > as pagan agnostic.   What exactly does the agnostic part
G > mean in your case?
Moe > Wat do you care? Its not like you
Moe > actually give a damn. do you greg?
You knocked the CRI for bias, and rightly so,
but you don't want to owe up to your own bias?
Please explain why you call yourself pagan agnostic.

From your posted usenet comments you are
a "self styled" pagan, you mixed and
matched your own formula, right?

 Distortions and lies noted.
 Do you EVER actually say the truth, ever, greg?

Why not explain, Moe?

How is that different from the aphorism that
you "make it up as you go along"?

Greg, newsflash for ya. ALL religions are made
up by humans. Every one of them.

Most people don't create their own religion like
they're at Build A Bear workshop, do they, Moe?
Ever consider just how egotistical that is, Moe?
But WHAT does your claim of "pagan agnostic" mean?

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter what it means -- other
than the fact that she's on a one-way ticket to eternal torment, and
the bus is leaving soon.  John 14:6.

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Post by Greegor

Leave it to a misguided heathen on a one-way ticket to eternal hell-
fire to quote scripture to (of all people) me.

Why not?
You are a coward hiding behind an anonymized IP

Matt. 7:5

My claim about you remains the same, coward.

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
and while you
can claim that I am going to hell as part of your self-righteous
dislike for me, you once again failed to actually remember Christian
teachings on this matter.

It is written, "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but
the righteous into eternal life.” -- Matt: 25:46

You are hardly " righteous". In fact, judging by your "fruits", you
are as damned as I am supposed to be.

Perpetual lying is fruit of an unregenerate heart. Rather its contrary
to sound doctrine and all liars really do go to Hell (1Tim. 1:9-10;
Rev. 21:8 )

Matthew 7:

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the
kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is
in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons [emphasis
mine] and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I
never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Matthew 23:

23:1-7pp -- Mk 12:38,39; Lk 20:45,46 23:37-39pp -- Lk 13:34,35
1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 "The teachers
of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3 So you must obey
them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for
they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy loads and
put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to
lift a finger to move them. 5 "Everything they do is done for men to
see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their
garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most
important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted in the
marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.' 8 "But you are not to
be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all
brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one
Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called 'teacher,'
for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11 The greatest among you will
be your servant. 12 For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and
whoever humbles himself will be exalted. 13 "Woe to you, teachers of
the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven
in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those
enter who are trying to. 15 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and
Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a
single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a
son of hell as you are. 16 "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If
anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by
the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17 You blind fools!
Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
18 You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but
if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' 19 You
blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the
gift sacred? 20 Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and
by everything on it. 21 And he who swears by the temple swears by it
and by the one who dwells in it. 22 And he who swears by heaven swears
by God's throne and by the one who sits on it. 23 "Woe to you,
teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of
your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more
important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You
should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24
You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel. 25 "Woe
to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean
the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and
self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup
and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. 27 "Woe to you,
teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like
whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the
inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28 In the
same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the
inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. 29 "Woe to you,
teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for
the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say,
'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have
taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31 So you
testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who
murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of
your forefathers! 33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you
escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets
and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify;
others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been
shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of
Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and
the altar. 36 I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this
generation. 37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and
stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your
children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but
you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39
For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is
he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "

Not enough? How about some more?

Bible Verses about Judging Others

Matthew 7:1-5 ESV

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you
pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be
measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's
eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you
say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when
there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log
out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck
out of your brother's eye.

Luke 6:37 ESV

“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not
be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

John 7:24 ESV

Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

Romans 2:1-3 ESV

Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For
in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the
judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God
rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man
—
you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—
that you will escape the judgment of God?

James 4:11-12 ESV

Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks
against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law
and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of
the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is
able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Ephesians 4:29 ESV

Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is
good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to
those who hear.

Matthew 7:5 ESV

You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you
will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

James 4:12 ESV

There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to
destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

Romans 14:1-13 ESV

As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel
over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak
person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one
who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the
one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment
on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands
or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him
stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while
another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in
his own mind. ...

Matthew 7:1 ESV

“Judge not, that you be not judged.
l
Matthew 7:1-2 ESV

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you
pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be
measured to you.

John 8:7 ESV /

And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let
him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at
her.”

Luke 6:31 ESV

And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

Matthew 7:1-29 ESV

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you
pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be
measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's
eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you
say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when
there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log
out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck
out of your brother's eye. ...

Matthew 6:14-15 ESV

For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will
also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses,
neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Galatians 5:14 ESV

For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your
neighbor as yourself.”

2 Corinthians 5:10 ESV

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that
each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body,
whether good or evil.

Luke 6:37-42 ESV

“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not
be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be
given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running
over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will
be measured back to you.” He also told them a parable: “Can a blind
man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? A disciple
is not above his teacher, but everyone when he is fully trained will
be like his teacher. Why do you see the speck that is in your
brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? ...
1 Corinthians 13:1-8 ESV

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I
am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers,
and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all
faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If
I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but
have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not
envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its
own way; it is not irritable or resentful; ...

Romans 2:3 ESV

Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and
yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?

Matthew 7:1-6 ESV

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you
pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be
measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's
eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you
say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when
there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log
out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck
out of your brother's eye. ......

1 John 3:17 ESV

But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet
closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

1 Peter 3:8-12 ESV

Finally, all of you, have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a
tender heart, and a humble mind. Do not repay evil for evil or
reviling for reviling, but on the contrary, bless, for to this you
were called, that you may obtain a blessing. For “Whoever desires to
love life and see good days, let him keep his tongue from evil and his
lips from speaking deceit; let him turn away from evil and do good;
let him seek peace and pursue it. For the eyes of the Lord are on the
righteous, and his ears are open to their prayer. But the face of the
Lord is against those who do evil.”

Romans 12:16-19 ESV

Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate
with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. Repay no one evil for
evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If
possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God,
for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”

1 Peter 2:1-4 ESV

So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all
slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that
by it you may grow up into salvation— if indeed you have tasted that
the Lord is good. As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men
but in the sight of God chosen and precious,

James 1:26 ESV

If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but
deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.

Galatians 5:22-6:5 ESV

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,
goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things
there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified
the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let
us also walk by the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking one
another, envying one another. ...

Matthew 7:15 ESV

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but
inwardly are ravenous wolves.

James 1:19-22 ESV

Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear,
slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce
the righteousness of God. Therefore put away all filthiness and
rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which
is able to save your souls. But be doers of the word, and not hearers
only, deceiving yourselves.

Titus 3:2-7 ESV

To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to
show perfect courtesy toward all people. For we ourselves were once
foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and
pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and
hating one another. But when the goodness and loving kindness of God
our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in
righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of
regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us
richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, ...

2 Timothy 3:5-6 ESV

Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such
people. For among them are those who creep into households and capture
weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions,

1 John 4:1-3 ESV

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see
whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into
the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that
confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and
every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the
spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the
world already.

2 Peter 1:5-7 ESV

For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with
virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control,
and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness,
and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with
love.

Colossians 3:12-15 ESV

Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate
hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, bearing with one
another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each
other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. And
above all these put on love, which binds everything together in
perfect harmony. And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to
which indeed you were called in one body. And be thankful.

Romans 12:20-21 ESV

To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty,
give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning
coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with
good.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13 ESV

For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside
the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the
evil person from among you.

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Post by kensmithiscool
Maureen, it is painfully obvious that you have deficient reading
comprehension.

Ad hom noted. Lie noted. Attempt to make an insult on my intelligence
noted.

How " Christian" of you KSIC.

Post by kensmithiscool
And you know very well that I stand on the Lord's
word.

Whomever you ACTUALLY are, you PRETEND to "stand on the Lord's
word" ( oddly you do not capitalize " word" as any Cristian would) but
you SHOW yourself to be a posturing pretentious Pharisee and not an
honorable person at all.

Post by kensmithiscool
Studies show that stuttering is due to comprehension deficiency of
linguistic structures. Since you have publicly demonstrated your
stuttering syndrome in the past,

Only once, liar and that was on C2C when Larson was on. And that was
when I was unprepared and was suddenly on the air. I dod not stutter
the next time I called C2C. When I called BL during TB as BAP I did
not stutter as you deception presents.

You lie so much that I do not believe for one moment that you serve
the Truth ( Jesus Christ). But then Larson is a liar, as is Warnke and
a number of other so-called Christians.

Post by kensmithiscool
I just thought I would clear the air
here by mentioning this. Hope this helps!

No you thought you could attack me once again.

If you actually wanted to "help" me as you pretend, you would have
emailed me for a Yahoo chat meeting. You didn't do that and you never
will do that.

Because you are all mouth but a coward.

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
In effect the only One qualified to judge a
human soul is Jesus/God on the Throne of Judgement. Not you.

Who's judging who? I stand on the Lord's word, Maureen. .

You are judging my soul, something you as a mortal human cannot do.
In effect , you are trying to claim for yourself the one thing no
human can, to " be like the Most High" IOW.

BTW " Lord" could mean any male deity, including Satan, which I think
is your actual god.
.

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
When even a "heathen" like me ( actually I'm Pagan , not heathen)

And you're both going to the same toasty place for eternity. .

Since you are referring I presume only to me, how can I be .more than
one soul damned to hell?

Moe

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Post by Greegor

BL came out smelling like a rose.

Actually he didn't. You can claim otherwise but the FACTS are that
Larson LOST stations airing TB rapidly after Ken Smith AND OTHERS did
exposes on Bob Larson, that he is persona non grata in many Christian
churches in America,

Obviously you have your facts wrong. No surprise there. There are
those churches in N. America that quite frankly just don't get what BL
is all about.

Actually they know what " BL is about". Money and vanity. Not about
Jesus Christ.

Any responsible church board would before inviting someone like
Larson in their premises would check out the guy's reputation. Most
Christian churches frown upon the fornications he did while at BLM
while claiming to be Christian, and they would not be pleased when at
one point Larson DEFILED a church altar by putting his crap on it on
display for sale. There is far too much easily available online about
the REAL: Bob Larson for any responsible church leader to allow him on
their premises, ever.

Deal with that KSIC. You can BS and whitewash as much as you want,
spinning it in your bad PR act, but the facts still remain the same.
Ken Smith, for all his faults ( and he did have a few), was spot on
about Larson, so much so that YOU still have to use his name as part
of your nym, which I find amusing.

Larson burned a number of his bridges to various Christian
broadcasting venues, including the 700 Club when he did that
notoriously bad taste pseudo-MIB act. Gosh has Bobbie been asked back
to that show? Instead the best Larson can hope for NOW is being on
what is commonly called the kook conspiracy radio show " Coast to
Coast AM", which advocates things no born again Christian would
approve of. When not even the Crouches want you, you've seriously hit
bottom in Christian broadcasting. :-D

Post by kensmithiscool
They don't get what the mission of the Ministry is
about.

Actually they do, Money and to promote Bob Larson.

Interesting note: The same claims you are making concerning Larson
sound a lot like the same "exclusiveness" justifications various CULT
LEADERS use. Like, for example, certain American Krishna cult leaders
did as described in " Monkey on a Stick".

Not surprising as Larson himself has ironically become a CULT leader,
considering his boastings about being the "foremost authority on cults
and the occult."

Post by kensmithiscool
Quite frankly, they're too chicken.

Or, more honestly, they don't want the fraud in their churches.
Protecting their flock from a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Post by kensmithiscool
They want to be coddled.
They'll often say, "Oh we can't do that. We don't want to offend
anyone." And much like Maureen, they are clearly ignorant to basic
Bible doctrine.

Nice snap, KSIC,but as usual for you, more of an attempt to cover
what I HAVE been saying that does apply to Larson. I don't need to be
a Bible scholar to know, for example, that Larson's crap about a "300
generational curse" flat out CONTRADICTS what the BIBLE DOES SAY. I
don't need to be a seminary school graduate to know that much of what
Larson teaches not only is contrary to sound Christian doctrine but is
also distortions of scripture and blatant fear mongering to keep his
followers thinking their only avenue is Larson.

I get it when I posted that long list of biblical verses about false
teachers that it hit the bull's eye, right KSIC?

Post by kensmithiscool
If there was ever a punchline to the joke "What does
a nutty Pagan and a group of spineless Christians have in common?"
that would be it!

Call me what you wish, but I do thank you for calling Christians
spineless. Aside from the legitimate minister on HNN calling Bob
Larson's teachings unbiblical ( which they are), I, like Ken Smith,
find it frustrating that Christians do not clean out the frauds, the
liars, the leeches on the Body of Christ but do the "let God judge"
crap excuse while the bastards continue their harm to people and in
the process drive people away from Jesus. And I know of a number of
instances where Christians should have come to the defense of non-
Christians but don't do so.

But I will say this, as I have before, that I've come to realize that
frauds like Larson, Mike Warnke, Hal Lindsy ,etc., do not represent
REAL followers of Jesus Christ and never will. The public posturing
pissant Pharisees do nothing regarding what Jesus taught His followers
to DO while the real followers of Jesus Christ are in the homeless
shelters, food pantries, and wherever else compassion and aid to the
less fortunate is needed.

It is these people, people who have a love for Jesus in their hearts,
a love and compassion they SELFLESSLY share to others without
preaching or requiring the hurting people to convert first, these are
what real Christianity SHOULD be about. Not Bob Larson. Not Pat
Robertson. Not the Van Impes.

Many who think they are followers of Jesus Christ are lead astray by
false teachers like Bobbie Larson. Like lambs to the slaughter, they
follow the Judas goat ( Larson) without question.

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
You also forgot to mention that his
various attempts to regain being on TV with his own shows have ended
in failures, including after the Crouches got tired of his crap on
their station and dumped him unceremoniously.

You forgot to mention that BL left them. Too many internal problems
at that network, as well as Paul's personal demons made it easy for BL
to divest himself from that mess.

Really? Nothing about the fact that Larson's show was so bad,
ratings wise, that it was often bumped for more better revenue shows?

Or that your " In the Name of Satan" TV show was so stinking BAD that
you couldn't even get enough people to sit in the "audience"?

Oh, BTW if Paul Crouch has " personal demons" why didn't Larson, the
"real exorcist" cast them out for him?

(( smirks))

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
You forgot his " Real
Exorcist" " reality" series in the UK was canceled due to viewers
complaints,

That's news to me. Where do you come up with this stuff?

Not news and you damn well know it. Quit the innocent act. I posted
the details online, including web addies, some years ago.

Oh BTW KSIC, thanks for focusing on this. You would have better
served Bobbie Larson's interests by keeping quiet until after the
various TV crap has been aired. But noooo...... :-D

It's just so FUNNY that you're helping me this way!! You know how
real journalists are, when they get a hint something is not what was
presented to them, they start digging for the truth.

By your own admission on the Facebook Bob Larson is a Fraud group, you
acknowledge that I am an authority on Bobbie E. Larson.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bob-Larson-Is-A-Fraud/171748786186422

$$$$$$$$$$$'

Kensmithis Cool For someone who has made a full-time job out of
stalking BL for 26 years, I would expect you to accurately know who BL
is and what the mission of the Ministry is all about.
27 May at 16:54 ·

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Your own words KSICkie.
How does it feel to be Larson's worst enemy, KSIC?

Post by kensmithiscool
The UK has
always been good to BL. Did you happen to read the recent Fabulous
piece? You know, the UK's most read magazine. Over 4 million
readers!

Where Bobbie whores Brynne as his version of Buffy the Vampire
Slayer? How Larson shows himself to be an irresponsible parent and
shows an ickly side to him regarding the teenage girls? Meanwhile you
bitched to me about how Inside Edition supposedly threatened the
safety of your wife and kids. Hypocrite much Bobbie?

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
And as much as he tries to claim otherwise, his " foremost authority"
claims about himself have no basis in reality and in fact he hasn't
been cited as a credible reference on other religions, cults and the
occult in the last 15 years!

Let's see...
Bob Larson is a demon slayer!”
The Learning Channel TV documentary

If so, then where are the demon corpses?
(( rest of self serving PR BS media spin deleted))

Post by kensmithiscool
Maureen, where_have_you_been?!

Always here Bobbie. Waiting for you to man up and stop hiding behind
your anonymizer, .meet me on Skype or or Yahoo chat and "cast out my
demons" as you claim I have and would do.

You damn well know as I do that a lot of what you cited is taken out
of context to the actual broadcasts and that the various shows have
this weasely caveats about your methods and practices so as to not
offend the fools that believe in demon possession, etc. You also know
that the packaged PR crap you send them is designed so that their
ignorance of the subject ( and many are ignorant of the specifics of
you and the "deliverance ministry" scam you do) is to your advantage.
The knee-jerk accusation of being " anti-Christian" is what these
pseudo-journalistic wimps try to avoid, while at the same time these
bastards see no problem calling Pagans kooks or fringe.
.

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
I have seen various web sites related to Christians telling people
Larson is an apostate and is not recommended to be allowed in their
churches. I have accounts from various people who have told details of
their experiences concerning Bob Larson and the aftermaths of what
happened, none of which are of credit to Larson or his DWJD team
people.
Larson's favorite slogan is " doing what Jesus did" which ironically
and sadly he does not do. Whatever actual generosity or benevolence
that does happen at his ironically named " Spiritual Freedom Church"
goes on IN SPITE Of Larson not BECAUSE OF Larson. Assuming OC any
actually does happen at his Scottsdale church.

This looks a lot like the anti-bl campaign form letter you've recently
e-mailed to some friends :)

Really? I emailed something? Mind posting said email " campaign"?

Gee Bobbie, while I can be legitimately be given credit for some
things, I would like to get credit where credit is actually due. If
someone else is doing an anti BL campaign email letter blitz, I sure
would like to know about it. After all I'm not like you, taking credit
for things you did not actually do... :->

Oh wait, maybe its my " demonic double" like Larson claimed he had
some years ago pretending to be him. Probably after being seen coming
out of Denver porno shops at that time.

Or it could be some angelic intervention helping get the word out
about you.

Well, whoever it is, huzzah to them.

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
To go back to your claim, no matter how much Larson tries to use
heavy doses of rose scented air freshener, he can't cover up the
stench of his factual past.

Speaking of stench, have you given daddy Frank his bath yet tonight?
Or is tonight his turn to bathe you?

Ad hom noted. Nice " Christian". Isn't there something about what
comes out of your mouth not defiling the Jesus that supposedly resides
in your heart? But then you serve your master Satan very well.
Oh wait, here's one web site about Christians and vulgar speeck:

http://www.insearchoftruth.org/articles/language.html

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A Christian's speech reveals more of his inward character than any
other action. In fact, it often betrays our true, inward man:

"Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the
tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. Brood of
vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the
abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. A good man out of the good
treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of
the evil treasure brings forth evil things." (Matthew 12:33-35)

One may try to conceal his thoughts, but eventually, his words will
show his heart, because our words proceed from our hearts. It is for
this very reason that we have so much trouble trying to control our
tongues, just as James says:

For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in
word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body. ... But
no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly
poison. With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men,
who have been made in the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth
proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to
be so. Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same
opening? Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear
figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh. (James 3:2-12)

Even though we may try to be mature, we often slip and speak in ways,
which we know to be wrong. "Why does our tongue slip?", you may ask.
Since we speak from our heart, only a perfect heart can speak
perfectly, which is what James explained above. Only a person who has
complete control over the thoughts of his heart can ever expect to
achieve mastery over his tongue. However, does that mean we should
give up on this seemingly hopeless task? Certainly not (Philippians
4:13 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ). If Christians'
hearts are truly being transformed into something not of this earth,
then our speech will reflect that growth and metamorphosis (Romans
12:1-2 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ). Furthermore,
if we have been truly baptized, then we have put to death the old man
and his wicked ways, which necessitates that we have truly repented.
Therefore, we may stumble, but we must continue to try to do better
(Romans 6:1-6 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ; I John
2:1-6 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ). Consequently,
our speech should manifest a person growing to have his mind entirely
focused on the world to come.

The Bible discusses at least four categories of inappropriate
language:

* cursing and reviling - speaking evil of another
* blasphemy and swearing - speaking evil, irreverently, or lightly
in regards to God
* vulgarity and innuendo - speaking with crude language of
inappropriate topics, such as sexuality, physiology
* lying and forswearing - speaking dishonestly or deceitfully, and
using false oaths

The last category will be reserved for a future study, but in this
article, we wish to consider the first three categories of speech,
which is unfitting for Christians.
Cursing and Reviling

Cursing and reviling generally refer to speaking evil of someone.
Cursing is an intense form of language, where one typically invokes
God or other supernatural forces to call evil down on someone else. It
is an expression of hatred, which is the primary root of the problem,
but it also manifests a loss of self-control, which is also in error.
Such language often brutally and violently injures the recipient,
which is the intent, whether by deliberation or neglect. Several
passages clearly condemn such language, and the hatred that it
reveals, as unfitting for a Christian:

"But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a
cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his
brother, 'Raca! [empty head - editor]' shall be in danger of the
council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell
fire. (Matthew 5:22)

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,
fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred,
contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions,
dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the
like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time
past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom
of God. (Galatians 5:19-21)

Not only do these passages condemn such behavior, but they indicate
the eternal consequences of it - an inheritance of hell fire! It is
hard to find God's disapproval more clearly expressed in Scripture.
Yet, the same Scriptures also indicate that one can repent and find
forgiveness for this sin. Please do not forget that the apostle Peter
"cursed and swore" as he denied Jesus, but yet he found forgiveness
(Luke 22:31-34 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] , 54-62
[Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ; Mark 14:70-71 [Open in
Logos Bible Software (if available)] ), so there is hope for those
entangled in such sin.

Reviling is a related, but possibly less intense form of language,
which indicates a berating, abusive, insulting disposition. It may not
necessarily express hatred, but it certainly expresses frustration,
superiority, arrogance, and even contempt. It may be considered less
extreme only because it does not necessarily wish ill upon the
recipient. As an example of this, the words, which we are often
tempted to say as a person cuts us off in traffic, would be considered
reviling. Further examples would include: "chewing someone out",
"letting them have it" verbally, giving someone a "tongue lashing",
and name calling ("Idiot! Moron! Airhead!!", etc.).

Friends may sometime call each other names in a teasing way. Or, in a
different situation, the same words can be used to express frustration
and hurl insults as an effort to retaliate. Clearly, we all know the
difference between using such language in fun versus using it to hurt,
and therefore, we should not confuse the two in order to justify what
we know is inappropriate.

On other occasions, companions may confront each other, and as
emotions run high and desperation ensues, similar name calling and
insults may take place. Resorting to name calling is never
appropriate. Admittedly, Jesus did use the labels, "hypocrites",
"fools", and "blind" to rebuke the Pharisees (Matthew 23), but such
harsh language was only used in the best interest of the Pharisees,
who had hardened their hearts until they could not be reached by even
the most blunt of warnings (Matthew 23:37-39 [Open in Logos Bible
Software (if available)] ). Since Jesus may be the only person mature
enough to completely "tame the tongue", we should exercise great
caution in utilizing such judgmental language. If ever we employ such
tactics in a final rebuke, only to find such labels to be the
cornerstone of our argument (in other words, stringing one name after
another in long chains), or if we fail to base our arguments on
factual, historical evidence (unlike Jesus' solid basis - Matthew
23:6-9 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] , 14 [Open in
Logos Bible Software (if available)] , 16-23 [Open in Logos Bible
Software (if available)] , 29-36 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if
available)] ), then we must recognize that our rebuke has turned into
a personal assault. We must beware using an occasion for admonition as
an opportunity to vent our own personal wrath and condemnation,
because it will not achieve the desired goal - repentance (James
1:19-20 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ).

Like cursing, reviling is also clearly condemned in the Bible:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom
of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor
adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous,
nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom
of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were
sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and
by the Spirit of our God. (I Corinthians 6:9-11)

Therefore, let us each be careful not to show arrogance and contempt
to our brother by cursing or reviling him.
Blaspheming and Swearing

Just as cursing and reviling manifest disrespect of our fellow man,
blaspheming and swearing express irreverence and contempt for God.
Blasphemy is a more extreme expression of profanity, characterized by
speaking evil of God. This may be accomplished in many ways, some more
obvious than others. However, blasphemy is clearly condemned. Under
the Old Law blasphemy was punishable by death (Leviticus 24:11-16
[Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ). The New Law does not
demand the immediate sentence of death; however, it is still
condemned:

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth:
fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness,
which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming
upon the sons of disobedience, in which you yourselves once walked
when you lived in them. But now you yourselves are to put off all
these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your
mouth. (Colossians 3:5-8)

"Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes
into the stomach and is eliminated? But those things which proceed out
of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. "For out of
the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications,
thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile
a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man." (Matthew
10:17-20)

Blasphemy may involve more than just saying bad things about God. It
also includes speaking evil of His works and the product of His hands.
Please recall that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit occurs when one
rejects or dismisses the Spirit's work of revealing and confirming
truth, attributing it to other non-divine sources (Mark 3:10-12 [Open
in Logos Bible Software (if available)] , 22-30 [Open in Logos Bible
Software (if available)] ; Hebrews 11:26-29 [Open in Logos Bible
Software (if available)] ). The Pharisees recognized that by claiming
the power to forgive sins, a power reserved for God, was a form of
blasphemy (Luke 5:20-26 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if
available)] ). In a similar way, whenever we judge those who were made
by God and seek to serve God, we are judging the One by whose hands
they were made, by whose law they strive to walk, and by whose mercy
they persevere (James 3:8-10 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if
available)] ; 4:11-12 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ;
Romans 14:3-4 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ; II Peter
3:9 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ). Finally, when we
complain about rampant wickedness or an apparent injustice, which God
allows to persist, we are again speaking evil of God by criticizing
His judgment. Therefore, we must be careful not to blaspheme, because
we may do so subtly, in ways that are not immediately obvious to us.

Now in regards to swearing, when one swears or takes an oath, he calls
God into witness, adjuring Him to testify to the truthfulness of a
statement. Although rarely stated, but always implied, one swears
against the penalty of calamity. It is commonly accepted that God will
not testify verbally, directly from heaven; therefore, the form of
witness must be providential, which act of God may fall upon ourself
or something we cherish. The thought often implied in an oath is
something like, "If I am not telling the truth, then may God strike me
dead!". Obviously, one would not heap such disaster upon his own head,
unless he really believed he was telling the truth, or unless he
believed that God did not care and would not do anything about his
lie.

Whether one irreverently puts God to the test by his trivial oath, or
if he simply calls out God's name in frequent, light, or unholy
manner, or if he attempts to back out on his oath to God, these forms
of swearing and blaspheming are all clearly condemned in Scripture.
Under the Old Law, such language was referred to as "taking the Lord's
name in vain" and bore the penalty of death (Exodus 20:7 [Open in
Logos Bible Software (if available)] ). One must be very careful in
how they approach God, whether by calling on His name, worshiping Him,
or invoking Him as witness:

Walk prudently when you go to the house of God; and draw near to
hear rather than to give the sacrifice of fools, for they do not know
that they do evil. Do not be rash with your mouth, And let not your
heart utter anything hastily before God. For God is in heaven, and you
on earth; Therefore let your words be few. For a dream comes through
much activity, And a fool's voice is known by his many words. When you
make a vow to God, do not delay to pay it; For He has no pleasure in
fools. Pay what you have vowed -- Better not to vow than to vow and
not pay. Do not let your mouth cause your flesh to sin, nor say before
the messenger of God that it was an error. Why should God be angry at
your excuse and destroy the work of your hands? (Ecclesiastes 5:1-6)

As we learn from the above passage, trivial oath taking is a dangerous
venture. God will hold us to our oaths. Yet, swearing can become so
trivial that people may not even realize what they are saying. Have
you ever known someone, who began ever other exclamation with the
phrase, "I swear ...!"? Christians are admonished to speak
consistently, such that our word will be sufficient without having to
swear:

"Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall
not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.' But I
say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's
throne; nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem,
for it is the city of the great King. Nor shall you swear by your
head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. But let your
'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No.' For whatever is more than these
is from the evil one. (Matthew 5:33-37)

But above all, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by
earth or with any other oath. But let your "Yes," be "Yes," and your
"No," "No," lest you fall into judgment. (James 5:12)

Therefore, let us take great caution when invoking the name of God,
because He sees, He hears, and He will act, and He will judge in His
own time.
Vulgarity and Innuendo

The final category under consideration is vulgarity and innuendo.
Again, we are considering both an extreme and milder form of the same
sin. Included in this category are: dirty jokes, sexual implications
and undertones, filthy language referring to bodily functions or
anatomy, and other inappropriate topics, which should not be publicly
or lightly discussed. Whereas vulgar speech contains direct and
explicit references, innuendo contains hints, winks, gestures, facial
expressions, and other subtle forms of communication, which quietly
express vulgar thoughts. It is this subtle vulgarity and crude speech
that makes up the vast majority of "adult humor", which often sails
over the heads of innocent and naive children. It is this language
that causes adults to wrinkle their mouths and snicker softly as
another hints at explicit themes without actually articulating them.
As before, we find that the Scriptures strongly condemn this type of
language:

Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. And walk in love,
as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and
a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma. But fornication and all
uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is
fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor
coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.
(Ephesians 5:1-4)

But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath,
malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. (Colossians 3:8)

A Christian is to have his mind set on higher, nobler, spiritual
things. Therefore such communication should not be appealing to him.
Neither, should it be something upon which he dwells and is therefore
even able to imagine, much less utter. Whether spoken directly, or
implied through innuendo, the ideas actually communicated by this
"filthy language" are the same and are therefore in error.
Slang and Euphemisms

Like the sexual or foul innuendo implied by veiled statements, slang
and euphemisms also convey inappropriate ideas. Similarly, they are
couched in more socially acceptable, or politically correct language.
By definition, a euphemism conveys harsh words or thoughts in a
softened form. For example, instead of speaking of a loved one's
death, we may say, "He passed away". Similarly, instead of saying,
"Oh, my God", one might say, "Oh, my gosh". In so doing, they are
merely substituting words so as to blaspheme or speak vulgarity
without technically uttering sin. Regardless, the idea has been
communicated. In fact, even the world recognizes the conveyed meaning.
Let us examine some of the more common slang expressions, as defined
by Webster's dictionary:

* gosh - Etymology: euphemism for God -- used as a mild oath or to
express surprise
* golly - Etymology: euphemism for God -- used as a mild oath or
to express surprise
* jeez - Etymology: euphemism for Jesus -- used as a mild oath or
introductory expletive (as to express surprise)
* crikey - Etymology: euphemism for Christ -- used as a mild oath
* darn - Etymology: euphemism for DAMNED

More could be listed, but these are sufficient to make our point: Many
common slang terms are merely euphemisms, or softened substitutes for
blasphemous language. Unfortunately, some people may not be aware of
the origin of these words and are therefore unaware of what they are
really saying. The lesson is that we should be careful of the language
we use to express surprise or displeasure. In fact, it would be wise
to consult a dictionary to see what we are really saying. Even if we
do not realize what we are saying, great damage and offense can be
generated, because others understand what these words mean. For
additional consideration, if one regularly and irreverently exclaimed,
"Oh, my God!", but did not know there really was one true God, would
that make it any less blasphemous? Although ignorance may cause us to
sympathize with such a sin, it does not however change the fact that
the words are blasphemous, even if the person was unaware of their
significance. Ultimately, it is the idea communicated to the minds of
other people that makes these words blasphemous, whether or not that
was our intention.

Finally, please consider that Christians do not need such words, or
any substitutes, to express extreme wrath or mild displeasure. Please
recall that "outbursts of wrath" are not to typify God's saints, while
"self-control and patience" are supposed to characterize Christians
(II Peter 1:5-6 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ).
Therefore, we should not allow ourselves to imagine that we must find
some word of exclamation.
The Solution

Most of the passages referenced above were not primarily intended to
address the topic of a Christian's speech. Most of these passages
focus on the transformation of the inner man. Our words are just one
way that we manifest the content of our heart and innermost thoughts.
Therefore, one will ultimately masters his tongue, not by a strict
adherence to a code, but rather by strictly conforming his heart to
the pattern of Christ. Our hearts must change before we can
realistically expect our words, which come out of hearts, to change.
Consequently, we must first focus on these passages' appeal to our
heart. If we completely accept them, by purifying our heart of
lustful, rebellious, arrogant, selfish thoughts, then we should have
no trouble in bridling our tongue. Therefore, let us reexamine some of
the above passages in their broader context to see the primary
emphasis, which reveals the solution to controlling our tongue:

If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are
above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. Set your
mind on things above, not on things on the earth. For you died, and
your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is our life
appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory. Therefore put to
death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness,
passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of
these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience,
in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them. But now
you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice,
blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. Do not lie to one
another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, and have
put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image
of Him who created him, (Colossians 3:1-10)

This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no
longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their
mind, having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the
life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the
blindness of their heart; who, being past feeling, have given
themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
But you have not so learned Christ, if indeed you have heard Him and
have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: that you put off,
concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt
according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your
mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to
God, in true righteousness and holiness. ... Therefore be imitators of
God as dear children. And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us
and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a
sweet-smelling aroma. But fornication and all uncleanness or
covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for
saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting,
which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. (Ephesians
4:17-5:4)

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,
fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred,
contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions,
dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the
like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time
past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom
of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-
control. Against such there is no law. And those who are Christ's have
crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the
Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. (Galatians 5:19-25)

One of the practical ways that we do this is by ridding ourselves of
negative spiritual influences. Who, or what influences you to think
irreverent, vulgar thoughts? What pressures are exerted on you to
speak in a way that is not fitting for a Christian? Does your
selection of television shows exhibit godly speech? If not, change the
channel! If every channel is offensive, then turn the box off. In so
doing, you may feel like you have cut off your hand, or plucked out
your eye, but that is far better than the alternative (Matthew 5:29-30
[Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ). Are your friends
constantly speaking perverse things? If so, then ask them to change.
If they refuse, then find new friends (II Corinthians 6:14-7:1 [Open
in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ). If it is books, internet,
radio - whatever the source of the negative influence, we must remove
it from our lives. Mature Christians do not allow temptation to grow
to full strength before resisting it. They eliminate the stumbling
block before it has an opportunity to trip them (Romans 13:14 [Open in
Logos Bible Software (if available)] ; I Thessalonians 5:22 [Open in
Logos Bible Software (if available)] ).

However, if we remove all the negative influences, but we do not fill
our lives with positive influences, then the negative influences will
return, and the end will be worse than the beginning (Luke 11:24-26
[Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ). Therefore, we must
dedicate time to Bible study, prayer, meditation, spiritual fellowship
with like-minded saints, good works, and other positive influences.
Paul offers this command as follows:

Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I will say, rejoice! Let your
gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand. Be anxious for
nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with
thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of
God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and
minds through Christ Jesus. Finally, brethren, whatever things are
true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever
things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of
good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy -- meditate on these things. (Philippians 4:4-8)

Conclusion

We have examined three categories of inappropriate speech for the
Christian, which is condemned by the Bible: speaking evil of others,
speaking evil of God, and speaking vulgarity and filth. Not only is
this language denouced in Scriptures, but it further warns us that
this type of speech may cost us our soul. Ultimately, I personally
doubt that our language will be the primary reason that some people
will face eternity in hell. I doubt it will come to that. Because our
speech manifests our true heart, it is safe to expect a person with a
filthy, irreverent mouth to be guilty of far more devastating sins.
Therefore, if we struggle with this sin, we should examine our own
hearts, while we still have the chance, and find the root of this evil
thought - and then cast it out! Furthermore, we must fill that hole in
our minds with noble, spiritual, and holy thoughts.

Please do not forget that our words will ultimately judge us on the
last day:

"For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. A good
man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things,
and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. But
I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give
account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be
justified, and by your words you will be condemned." (Matthew
12:34-37)

Our words not only manifest who we are, but the Lord will use them as
a basis for determining who we really are, and assigning the
appropriate reward!

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Hoo boy if that is true KSICkie, you're in big doo-doo with
Jesus.....

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
I've noticed that after the devastating tornado in Joplin, a

number

Post by Greegor
of churches organized relief efforts and came to help with the clean
ups and other aid for those people. In none of the stories about that
aspect of the subject that I have read has " Spiritual Freedom Church"
of Scottsdale Arizona been mentioned as part of the volunteer groups.
You are free, OC to prove me wrong.

Gladly. One of the wonderful things about Spiritual Freedom Church
International, Inc is the multitude of congregations around N.
American and abroad who fellowship with SFCI, Inc. Yes, Missouri is
covered :) Doors are being opened by SFCI, Inc. in the Name of
Jesus. Why don't you ask Pastor Vivian for the details. :)

Why not prove where LARSON is PERSONALLY helping out? I specifically
asked about the Scottsdale Church Bob, not about your damn "
franchise". You have followers who independently do good works and you
try to get the credit for their efforts when you do nothing yourself.
Learn that Wal Mart?


h> Maureen, what have you done to lend a hand to those displaced by
the

Post by kensmithiscool
F5 tornado in Joplin?

A number of things, actually. I wasn't picked to find the remains of
those dead, thankfully, but I did my part. What I saw was heart
breaking. I didn't see Bobbie Larson there BTW.

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor

As the BLFCult learned to its chagrin, when one door closes for BL, 5
more open. Now, care to explain why KS isn't a member of the Colorado
Bar Association? You have the floor. . .

Long story, but in essence the Colorado Bar wimped out under pressure
form Larson and his lawyers to stack the deck against Smith.

Nope. Wrong answer. Please drive-thru.

Post by Greegor

It really isn't worth mentioning, since the Court of Appeals decision
didn't harm BL one scintilla :)

It IS worth mentioning because Larson LOST that case. Afraid of the
whole TRUTH KSIC?

That is the whole truth, Maureen.

No it is not.

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
Avoidance of the fact that Larson is persona non grata in most
American churches due to his adultery,his fornications, his lies,
greed, etc, noted.
Funny that some Pentecostal churches allow traveling " exorcists" but
not Larson......

BL doesn't exactly see the point in dancing around with venomous
snakes, mmmkay?

Nice South Park reference. Too bad you didn't know squat about
Spiderman when 'exorcised" "Stanley" in Austin some years ago.

Charismatic churches don't allow Larson either.

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
Avoidance of mentioning the required admittance FEE noted.

The seminars are free. Even you can afford that.

No they are not free. There is an admittance fee required.

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
And, may I add, avoidance of why he resorted to hotel conference
rooms AFTER the various "free admission" venues where certain various
events happened

[!?]

Short memory Bobbie? This was before you once again renivented
yourself in the " spiritual freedom" "real exorcist" scams. Remember
the notoriously bad " Satanism Symposium" you did where a local Pagan
group and Officer Kerr Cuhulain attended? Or did you once again
conveniently forget how you were bested by both of them?

Post by kensmithiscool
The conference rooms have always been free admission, Maureen. I know
that it would be a bit much to ask you to pull your head out of your
ass for a few moments,

Oh WOW CUSSING!!!

Golly gee " Christian" such vulgarity from a " man of god"! Not to
mention another ad hom. See above about Christianis and vulgarity
coming from their mouths and written words.

KSIC you have challenged me twice before to meet you through Skype. I
accepted your challenge and both times you backed off. So WHO is the
one REALLY hiding? Sure isn't me, coward.

You have said before I have demons yet you refuse to come with me to
a private Yahoo chatroom so you can "cast them out" of me. WHO is the
one REALLY hiding? Sure isn't me, coward.

You wanted handwritten copies of my log books, yet failed to send me
your legitimate name and address so I could do so. WHO is the one
REALLY hiding? Sure isn't me, coward.

Motal challenged Larson to a public debate and Larson hides from
that challenge. Seems Larson is the real coward.

Post by kensmithiscool
but you really do need to take time out from
your vendetta to see what's going on around you...

No vendetta, and actually I do take time to see what is around me.
In truth, my interest in Larson is more academic, a case study than
anything else and he doesn't take much of my time.

Yesterday I picked blackberries, for example. I plan to do some
fishing this weekend and help a certain friend of mine with a church
bake sale Saturday. Seems my snicker doodles was a hit last time they
had the bake and rummage sale. I might even add some of those cute
tiny blackberry pies.

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
where the crowd turned AGAINST Larson noted.

1 John 2:19

Post by Greegor
One
incident, the one about the crying rape victim, showed Larson's cold
callousness.

News to me. Where do you come up with this stuff?

Its online. It was some years ago and it was from an eyewitness
report.

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
Spin it all you want, Rumplestilskin wannabe, you still can't
transform his disease into healthy tissue. Gilding a turd is still
gilding a turd.

And of course, each of these blasphemous remarks of yours will get you
an in your face reply from God.

You don't speak for God and never will Bobbie.

BTW what " blasphemies" did I commit? All I said was about Bob
Larson. Is Rumple your god? OR ...

Wait, is Bob Larson GOD to you?

Yowzah!! Doesn't the Antichrist claim to be God?

Moe
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End copy and paste

Now then, "kensmithiscool"/ Bobbie E. Larson, I thank you for showing
not only me but anyone else who would bother more indications that you
are not in fact an actually follower of Jesus Christ.

And, gee, did you actually stop to think about restraining yourself
until AFTER the TV " major media" shows aired?

Talking about shooting oneself in the foot!

Here's one more post BY you that shows how " Christian" you are NOT:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.bob-larson/msg/a52f76e9cf1abdc9?hl=en&dmode=source

Begin copy and paste of pertinent passage:

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Post by kensmithiscool
I have seen various web sites related to Christians telling people
Larson is an apostate and is not recommended to be allowed in their
churches. I have accounts from various people who have told details of
their experiences concerning Bob Larson and the aftermaths of what
happened, none of which are of credit to Larson or his DWJD team
people.
Larson's favorite slogan is " doing what Jesus did" which ironically
and sadly he does not do. Whatever actual generosity or benevolence
that does happen at his ironically named " Spiritual Freedom Church"
goes on IN SPITE Of Larson not BECAUSE OF Larson. Assuming OC any
actually does happen at his Scottsdale church.

This looks a lot like the anti-bl campaign form letter you've recently
e-mailed to some friends :)

Post by kensmithiscool
To go back to your claim, no matter how much Larson tries to use
heavy doses of rose scented air freshener, he can't cover up the
stench of his factual past.

Speaking of stench, have you given daddy Frank his bath yet tonight?
Or is tonight his turn to bathe you?

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Your words, KSIC.

Jesus Christ must be proud of you.

Moe

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Post by TWellingfan
Jesus Christ must be proud of you.

xena dumped you.

[TWellingfan]

Post by kensmithiscool

Post by Greegor
G > That's one heck of a disclaimer!    LOL
Moe > Word of note here. CRI is hardly an objective
Moe > source, as their stance on non-Christian
Moe > religions is tainted by the Xian
Moe > " one true religion" crap claim. This article's
Moe > claim that Larson's "exorcism" teachings
Moe > are biblically sound shows considerable
Moe > ignorance on the part of the author, as well
Moe > as his blindness to Larson's obvious flim
Moe > flammery and Simony.
G > Maureen, on your facebook page you identified yourself
G > as pagan agnostic.   What exactly does the agnostic part
G > mean in your case?
Moe > Wat do you care? Its not like you
Moe > actually give a damn. do you greg?
You knocked the CRI for bias, and rightly so,
but you don't want to owe up to your own bias?
Please explain why you call yourself pagan agnostic.

From your posted usenet comments you are
a "self styled" pagan, you mixed and
matched your own formula, right?

 Distortions and lies noted.
 Do you EVER actually say the truth, ever, greg?

Why not explain, Moe?

How is that different from the aphorism that
you "make it up as you go along"?

Greg, newsflash for ya. ALL religions are made
up by humans. Every one of them.

Most people don't create their own religion like
they're at Build A Bear workshop, do they, Moe?
Ever consider just how egotistical that is, Moe?
But WHAT does your claim of "pagan agnostic" mean?

At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter what it means -- other
than the fact that she's on a one-way ticket to eternal torment, and
the bus is leaving soon.  John 14:6.

Hey KSICkie, you'd might wanna recheck one of Larson's " major media"
airings... :->

Moe

[TWellingfan]

Post by Greegor
G > That's one heck of a disclaimer!    LOL
Moe > Word of note here. CRI is hardly an objective
Moe > source, as their stance on non-Christian
Moe > religions is tainted by the Xian
Moe > " one true religion" crap claim. This article's
Moe > claim that Larson's "exorcism" teachings
Moe > are biblically sound shows considerable
Moe > ignorance on the part of the author, as well
Moe > as his blindness to Larson's obvious flim
Moe > flammery and Simony.
G > Maureen, on your facebook page you identified yourself
G > as pagan agnostic.   What exactly does the agnostic part
G > mean in your case?
Moe > Wat do you care? Its not like you
Moe > actually give a damn. do you greg?
You knocked the CRI for bias, and rightly so,
but you don't want to owe up to your own bias?
Please explain why you call yourself pagan agnostic.

From your posted usenet comments you are
a "self styled" pagan, you mixed and
matched your own formula, right?

 Distortions and lies noted.
 Do you EVER actually say the truth, ever, greg?

Why not explain, Moe?

Sure. You are INCAPABLE of speaking the TRUTH except by accident.
You need your many lies to feel good about yourself because the truth
about you is that you are a failure in life, as a man, and as a human
being.

Don't blame me gaggie, You DID ask.... :->

Post by Greegor

How is that different from the aphorism that
you "make it up as you go along"?

Greg, newsflash for ya. ALL religions are made
up by humans. Every one of them.

Most people don't create their own religion like
they're at Build A Bear workshop, do they, Moe?

Like "Spiritual Freedom Church, International", Greg? Or are you
doing once again your double standard?

Aside from your intentional lie about my religion, you supposedly
used to have a male friend who was Pagan or at least Wiccan so you
should have remembered, if he told you, that Goddess worship is far
older than Judaism or Christianity and while Wicca itself came from
Gardner in the 1930's, not all Paganism is so.

As I told you, ALL religions are human made, The point is not the
"create your own religion" claim since ALL people in effect create
their own VERSIONS of religion, but the pertinent point is HOW the
PRACTICE of that religion affects themselves and others.

As Kent aptly said, to be fair to his religion ( Christianity) one
cannot honestly blame ALL Christians for the crap scum like Larson do
while claiming to be Christian.

I should add that in some Native American tribes they have tried to
recreate their tribal beliefs as best they could after their ways were
nearly wiped out by the White man Christian missionaries while they
were trapped in reservations and treated like prisoners. That does not
make their salvaged remnants of religion any less valid than long
standing religions.

Post by Greegor
Ever consider just how egotistical that is, Moe?

Like Larson did?

Post by Greegor
But WHAT does your claim of "pagan agnostic" mean?

It means what it says, Greg. Too bad you are too stupid to understand
it.

Moe

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Post by TWellingfan
I should add that in some Native American tribes they have tried to
recreate their tribal beliefs

why would a white eyes like you care, go watch some more xena reruns, slut.